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46 - as much as I used to think that's the problem, just look at Chicago as an example. Strictest gun laws in the country yet it's the murder capital of the US
There are ways to get a gun in regulated countries but they are so few and far between that they don't have massacres on anything like the scale we do!
youd need to put a complete ban on firearms manufacturing in your country. Even then, it wouldn't stop. They'd just be smuggled in from Mexico- then again maybe trump would be right in The Wall.
Buying a gun is initially a process...even here in the wild wild west...the problem is that gun transfers are not regulated at all...a private party can sell their gun to anyone.
I'd say it's a little of two things - regulation and mental health. People have always had access to guns, it's just not until recently where it's become a trend to do something like this.
Point being .. These aren't legally obtained fire arms (here). It's against the law for them to have it. Yet, they have them and kill people with them. It's also against the law to kill people
It's a decision for the population at large and the strong will among that population to keep their right to have a gun and why is what needs to be addressed. And why these tragedies don't alter that.
If only it were that simple...the man who did this must have had severe mental health issues...our medical system is as much to blame as anything else...
If guns are available of course gangs will get there hands on them and if not having guns means folk can't hunt, big deal, it also means innocent folk can't be murdered going about their normal routin
We have a modern way of life that leads large numbers of people to feel disaffected, irrelevant, marginalised, unhappy and angry. That's a factor also. Among many factors.
They know who he is now... Family said he was disgusted when he saw a gay couple kiss in public, just a little while ago. I guess that's why he targeted the gay bar.
People are killing people because they are fucked up. Guns certainly make it easy - however .. If not guns .. Then I'd imagine in this specific case .. Explosive devices would have been used.
46, the guns are already out there...unless the government seizes them and destroys them, they will always be there. We need to invest more in the people of this country.
Is every one mad on here, they have as large a percentage of nutters in the UK but don't get the same percentage of shootings because guns are not freely available! are you going to blame noses for fo
Oh absolutely ITM. Such mass shootings are unbelievable .. This is a very different situation than what's happening in my area. However, the call is always "more gun control".
Shyguy, what a trite comment without the gun the people that pull the trigger wouldn't have the bottle to do JACK SHIT in 99.9% of occasions. It's guns that make puny little men feel brave!
We have gun control here - yet almost lure alarming than this huge tragedy that took place in Florida - our shootings are daily. .. Lots of illegal guns on our streets.
It's a call I agree with. It seems to be the no-brainer first step. But I know it's a highly contentious issue for Americans. The rest of us just don't understand why.
We've always had access to guns. It's our 2nd ammendment right. However these events haven't always happened in history. I think the media motivates a lot of it.
I think the issue is .. USA has such a huge gun manufacturing industry. How do you regulate something that you produce? Move it out of USA - it goes to Mexico or further into South America.
The question then comes down to what's more important. That 2nd amendment right or the next classroom full of kids. Or movie theatre filled with bright young adults and so forth.
The thing is, the 2nd amendment is there for the people (us) to protect ourselves if the gov't were to fail us. It was also enacted in the 1790's when people used muskets...not AR-15s
To be clear, I'm not really even defending "2nd amend" or whether someone should have the right to own a firearm. What I'm saying is .. Gun control laws (here) will not prevent this from happening.
yeah, Shaqila is right. These discussions never end; I could discuss for days. But for now, my heaviest thoughts and condolences to these poor people and their families.
If your government fails you or comes after you, your hand gun won't be much help. Also, the beauty of an amendment is in its name. Easily amended if the will is there to amend it. But I fear it isn't
That's true, LR. But not one that needs to be a hurdle. I also suspect the UK does manufacture guns, just not for general public sale but for international trade.
I'm not taking your argument as defence mate. Just reasoned debate. Which is crucial. My feeling is that clearly a ban on the ability to buy guns so readily would undoubtedly save thousands of lives.
I agree with that, LR. I touched on that earlier. Our modern way of life is fucked in many ways. It has its positives of course but there's so much anger and sadness among people. Somethings not right
Again, relating it to what's happening in Canada .. These guns are illegally obtained guns - it's not as easy to get one here in Canada as it is in the USA - yet we have had an explosion recently in
Gun laws won't eradicate gun crime. But it will definitely overwhelmingly reduce the number of instances like Florida. That stroll in and kill dozens kind of action.
Like .. If someone is so fucking mentally twisted to do something like this - they will always find a way to try to. Guns certainly make it easier though. I won't argue that b
So be it. That strikes me as a positive thing. But it's an industry with big lobbying power. That's a hurdle that won't change without a complete shift in ideology.
Unfortunately .. It would most likely result in a horrible civil war. Maybe North America is due for one. We did after all, go rather unscathed by both world wars.