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bluexl7
13-May-08 19:19:21
"Due to misuse and constant childish behavior by a few"

The solution is quite simple. Make the forum a premium feature, then you will see good behavior because no troll will want to risk his/her paid account being banned.
13-May-08 19:41:18
My 'tweaking' of what's already there:
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Forum Rules:

These rules define what types of behavior is not acceptable on our forum.

On the NewbieNudes.com Forum - unacceptable behavior is defined as:

* Intentional derogatory comments, harassment, or intimidation regarding or directed to another user in the forum.

* Any reference to drugs, terrorism, xxxxxx, or xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, whether it be a link (internal or external) or discussion on such activities

* Any reference to other illegal or illicit activities, such as external links or discussions of those subjects.

* Any behavior that can be seen to be continually disruptive to the normal operation of the forum, such as spamming links, text or spoofing usernames with alternative characters, or spoofing avatars.

* Any commercial discussion or promotion of any other website without explict permission of NN admin

* Posting "hate speak" about any sexual group, religion, gender, ethic origin or race

* Spamming URLs for other sites

* "Bumping" of old threads with the sole intent to stir conflict without adding any additional comment

* "Hijacking" of threads with the sole intent to disrupt the thread discussion.

Age of consent as relates to NN is 18 years of age.

Should you post anything that contravenes these rules your post or thread shall be removed without notice, and your privileges to participate may be suspended. Continued flouting of these rules may result in removal of your account. All decisions are at the discretion of moderators of this forum and no public discussion will be entered into.
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Not much to change, just the order and a few added points.
13-May-08 19:45:31
And, my apologies for this, but I disagree with bluexl7's suggestion. There are plenty of premium members who misuse the forum, and plenty of standard members who don't.
13-May-08 19:45:52
I fear that if member mods are given control, large mistakes might be made.
I could not suggest even one member that could be free and unbiased to do this.

Also..re aliases..
Forum rules might be cleared up somehow.
One clash is, in my opinon, the guest system in the chat rooms..
(re: be a guest in chat..why not an alias in forum)
Deviant_an_Angel
13-May-08 19:56:15
um okies I'm going to ask!!

how long is the forums going to be closed for... *sad face*

I agree with MD, making the forums premium... isnt a good idea.. people use these because of, the diversity of the humour an opinions.. to take that away.. the boards would die!

the rules don't look much different to me.. just tweaked..
umsre what i think about the moderators!
other sites have used this.. an it has been abused.. threads an posts pulled... because a mod simply doesn't liek someone.. or because they are friends.. with such an such..

guess it has to be tried tho eh!!

*drop to knees.. an begs.. please open the forums as soon as poss!*

Angel
dornyhevil
13-May-08 20:03:43
Derogatory comments needs to be more clearly defined as a difference of opinion could be considered derogatory on some issues
Carbonbasedorganism.
13-May-08 20:12:19
I would agree with MDguy and Angel.
I have no idea what raven is talking about. Chat i guess. Anyway. It seems obvious to me what the problem is and who it is. I wrote you a pm last week, so I am not going to rehash it hear.
But in my opinion the splatcat issue was a mountain from a mole hill, and the deb thing was beyond ridiculous, some see conspiracy's everywhere.
And you are aware, that some, can be in complete compliance with the rules, yet still violate them in spirit.
The recent antics in the resurrected Gosh thread on crime statistics is a perfect example of hi jinx by a self righteous crusader.
And, as some one who does pay to use all the site features, I think it would be a good idea make a speedy decision so that those that do pay can decide how they wish to proceed in future. It would be of benefit to you as well to know who will stay and who will go. And no one likes the sword of Damocles hanging over their head. So set the rules, make them fair, BUT enforce them fair. Not by ideology.
private site or not, that is NOT fair.

my opinion,,you asked ,,I gave it.
Boinks
13-May-08 20:23:56
rules are like locks they only work on people who respect them.
13-May-08 20:26:15
....the beatings will continue until moral improves.
Theres nothing wrong IMO with the rules that you have in place right now....except for one thing. If someones gets a spanking for something that they did, what is wrong with making the offence AND the punishment 'public'? It would serve as an example to everyone of how the punishment fits the crime, and also be public evidence that there is just one set of rules that *everybody* lives by.
13-May-08 20:34:22
I do not think there is any problem with the current rules. You just need help enforcing them, whether that help comes from support staff, or from member mods.

I do think it would be to your own benefit to always inform the individual as to why their thread has been locked, or their privileges revoked/suspended. It of course should be a very simple statement. "You are suspended for X number of weeks for violating rule [insert]."

It's not discussion, and it informs the person as to why things are happening.

~A.I.
13-May-08 20:35:51
Sad that it's come to this. I can only see it working, if the rules in place are enforced EQUALLY, and for ALL. I agree with RC (did I say that)...when the rules are broken...naming the offender, and the offense would clarify boundaries considerably. Whatever you decide...just look at everyone as equals, and treat them as such. Deny 'special' treatment to those who complain the loudest. The squeaky wheel, requires no grease, if the rest of the wheels have fallen off.
13-May-08 20:40:17
I need to follow up on RC's statement with this: the very reason the forums were suspended was because private observations *were* made public, and it continued ad nauseam, and if it wasn't one theory as bone of contention, it was another.

The members at large should have very little input once the rules have been stated. I realise why things are made *internal* and others do not: it's none of our business.

I'll end with that thought. Thanks.
Benjie Thai
13-May-08 20:43:59
I like MD's tweaks, especially the hate speak one. I hope this includes condemning entire countries with things like "Thailand sucks."

I don't think it should be a premium only feature either.

Finally, I think allowing alias in the forum would be a nightmare.
13-May-08 20:51:29
What Md listed looks good. I'd also add that someone mentioned alias' in the forum. Horrible idea as that can easily be worked around by logging in as another user anyway. I would add to all posters, including myself, grow thicker skin, this is after all a website with people from all over. It's meant to be in good fun, don't take everything so personal, we have enough to deal with in real life as it is. :)
johncarr64
13-May-08 21:40:31
One of the worst forms of misuse of the Forum is the hijacking of threads. It's so boring to see a thread put up and 3 or 4 people take it over with some bullshit chatter that only they themselves understand. If you don't like a thread, just like a photo posted, just ignore it. If you don't like a thread, put one up yourself.

To some people who post on the forum for the first time, it is quite often their last and instead of being encouraged to partake and belong, they are ignored or insulted. Quite often the threads are posted in the wrong place or can be "rate my dick" in the discussion group area. OK, so it's a silly mistake, but does it merit the sort of treatment metted out to the unfortunate poster?

The forum is supposed to be there for all members, not just the few.

I have not kept up with recent events, so I'm not sure why it was pulled so I cannot make any comment on that.
shesez
13-May-08 21:40:31
no name calling..easy
el tigre
13-May-08 21:42:14
bluex makes a valid point,the only danger that i fear is that you will make the forums so sterile that no one will want to participate for fear of expulsion.I have made the point before that after all this is an amateur porn site.
13-May-08 21:47:53
Keep the comments comming, these are all good. I especially like the way johncarr64 has articulated one particularly prominant problem on the forum.
13-May-08 21:57:23
I have to agree with johncarr64. Far too often the forum is used as a chat room albiet a very slow one. There are 3 chat rooms on NN if you want to chat use one of them. If you want want to discuss a single topic then the forum is the place to be.
No suggestions just an observation.
13-May-08 21:59:26
I agree with md's "rules" they are pretty much what they used to be but phrased in a way they can not really be missunderstood. The rules were good, just enforce them.
Oh, and yes, xxxxxxxxxx should be mentioned. Do not assume everyone knows it (could already be seen)
_StrawB_
13-May-08 22:02:53
Well alot would say I prob don't have a right to comment, but....after all the years I spent money here, maybe I do. I feel like if ANYONE says any rude comment to anyone, Anywhere on the site they should be banned. All Parties, not just one or two pointed out. Rules are just rules, not unless they are for Everyone, Mods included. I have visited another site and if ANYTHING is said out of the way to another member, they are banned and their account removed. What is that old saying, if you can't say something Nice, Don't say it at all!!
Feschka Corrado
13-May-08 22:05:45
I agree with el tigre, there would be no point to post on a mine-field forum. And who will moderate?
13-May-08 22:07:31
Hijacking of threads..

Yes this is common and I notice a few very established members also doing this.
Perhaps some solution is to give the thread bearer (op) control over the thread that they have created. (restricted to vetted members)
13-May-08 22:15:15
Ok I'm a slow typer so I'm just going to say I agree with mdguy and Juicy :)
Glen UK
13-May-08 22:37:27
Agree with mdguy, Angel, johncarr64 and juicy's comments.

I would have thought that *hopefully* moderation would fix alot of the problems.

Since alot of people (including myself) find ratings threads extremely boring, how about a sub-forum just for them? That way if any unknowing newcomer starts a ratings thread in Sexual Discussion (or elsewhere), it can simply be moved there by the mods, and the rest of us can simply ignore that whole sub-forum, and let the ratings threads fans get on with it.

Some updated forum software wouldn't hurt either; maybe something like vbulletin? Would give extra features like more smileys (which while it might seem like a small point, can help avoid misunderstandings as to how a comment was meant to be taken) and an ignore button, which I'm sure some would find useful.
StevenSki2
13-May-08 22:42:30
The specific rules are not that important.
Fairness is.
If the moderation is going to be handled in the same unfair and secret manner that support has handled problems to this point.
You might as will flush the forum for good.
Either that or just delete the members that the mods do not agree with or like now and save yourself the blood loss all together.
Good luck finding trust worthy mods.
13-May-08 22:46:37
My twopenneth - instead of rules instigate NN LAW (MD's list seems worthy) People may take this approach more seriously than 'rules'. Word play has worked in the past.
13-May-08 22:49:12
The thread poster should not be given the right to moderate their own thread i.e. delete posts, words, sentences, etc. Talk about molding what you what out of something, that's it. That's too far.
13-May-08 23:09:02
I agree with MDGuys "rules", they spell it out. However no appointed mods. from members as they bias must come through in their actions.
Suggest a new Topic heading such as "politics" for the more serious
posters so they can debate their beliefs with each other rather than those who dont really care about politics outside their own country.
Whatever you do please do not take the fun and humour away from the forum.
big-nickel-guy
13-May-08 23:10:09
current rules are just fine apply them accross the board to everyone
most in particular drug commenters
and racist commenters
perfectdick@18
13-May-08 23:13:51
Well I'd definitely like to see strict rules on the creation of many similar threads or threads that add no value to the actual discussion on the forum... There is no need for 25 "Would you sex the person above you?" threads just on one page... Where it is nothing but guys who post. One, locked at the top where both genders take turns would be enough!

Also more forum sections to lighten the load on the main forums... As well as other things. Hope it is not too long of a delay!
13-May-08 23:17:36
Forum ... thoughts and ideas from people all over the world, humour, sadness and broadening of horizons. Are you proposing to remove the banter, that which for many people makes it worth our while?? What I liked most about the forum was that peoples personalities would shine through much more clearly than in the fast paced chat rooms. If you wanted to in forum you could take the time and effort to pen (type) a lengthy reply whereas in chat its mentioned then gone, lost in the fast pace quite often. Chat rooms are not for everyone and many who have posted replies to NNs' blog should remember that. I for one would not like to read a bland, sterile forum with none of the fun and laughter there was previously.

In a previous blog of mine I did suggest being open to a certain degree, to CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE where a breach of rules was, so that others could temper their behaviour appropriately. Give clear examples and be specific. One thing I have noticed is that humour varies GREATLY from country to country and a harmless comment to one person can be deeply hurtful to another. Someone said grow a thicker skin, maybe so, but a lil tolerance from others wouldn't go amiss. Peace, love an a lil understanding *grins* that's my tuppence worth.
13-May-08 23:23:36
One thing... if there are to be forum moderators or some sort of moderation:

Others have brought up some who post in the wrong thread (many by accident)... I'd like to see, rather than deleting or locking a thread, moving it to a more proper location. I don't know if the tech is able to do that, but just a thought...
13-May-08 23:32:34
My input: More moderating would be a great idea I think. And no I’m not asking to be one of them, not my cup of tea. I am quite happy reporting something I think is out of line to support. And like others, there is the thing of partiality. Maybe and outside mod system like the support system is now? And until people stop making targets and trying to have others banned or thrown completely off the site because of a comment they make, will it really matter? And something else I noticed as others did also. When someone new comes to the forum, and they post in the forum don’t jump down their throat because they said hi in general discussion category. And this is just a thought, not a suggestion, as the site doesn’t belong to me. Since there seems to be a big deal over all the dead threads being brought back and everyone complaining because so and so brought back so and so’s thread. Why not wipe it clean and start fresh when it is reopened.
13-May-08 23:37:57
The only problem I can see off handed is the subjects we are allowed to talk about. Just right off the top in the forum we not allowed to talk about terriorism. Hey, now adays this is a fact of life that touches everyone everywhere and yet wwe're not allowed to discuss it? Haven't thought any further so far, this is just an example.
13-May-08 23:42:02

I think mods shud be the who do not already contribute to the forum or other members as such. Everyone is bias even if they dnt think so. Personally i dnt see too much wrong with the forum or the site (as stated in my earlier blog). If you dnt like what you read or see move along or report it if it isnt within the rules. Problem im having is where the boundies actually are. As today i didnt see anything bad. Popped away for an hour and came back to it closed. I think the site as a whole is great but whatever site your on there are trolls, hijacking (yes i do), twats and disputes. It is always easier t type something you wudnt normally say.
Cidknee
13-May-08 23:45:36
ok. Im gonna make this brief. Yes there is technology available, to move a thread from one area to another. i do it all the time on a different site that I am a moderator on.Its mainly a forum, so yes we do it alot.
What seems to me MD's rules are fine. BUT. Nobody will enforce them. There are so many rules being broken all the time now as it is... whos gonna change that? Hell we have a pedophile here, lots of drug names as user names drug chat and alot of other stuff. Now, i dont want to sound like a facist, but cmon.. there are rules, Lets enforce them, hell I will. But I cant. One suggestion i read, and the person who posted it doesnt suprise me, about aliases in the forum... umm NO DUMB idea. Guests should be gotten rid of period. Or at least used or a 24 hr period only. Hell the site IS FREE, if u want it to be.
Sorry folks, I like the chat, like the forum and like the blogs. I HATE how the rules never get enforced. SPECIALY people who post pics OF THIER SISTER>....EWW and the people who come in chat, and all they say is pm me, dskjnsdfn@hotmail.com hot male on cam PM me.. over and over and over again...oh well.

In closing, the rules are good, tweaks are good. ENFORCE them, unilaterally.
StevenSki2
14-May-08 0:15:08
This site is only as serious as you take yourselves.
14-May-08 0:24:41
Lets consider that NN Admin is, of course, in charge of a major site which includes deep sexual & personel subjects.

Possibly (if NN wants to restart forum even)...

The Blowing off steam section idea which I have mentioned might just work.
I feel the possible need to clear other sections in forum and focus it all into this form of 'sin bin'
Then its up to members to venture in and support to target..
This is just another thought....
14-May-08 1:13:11
".... If someones gets a spanking for something that they did, what is wrong with making the offence AND the punishment 'public'?...." -RC

"....I need to follow up on RC's statement with this: the very reason the forums were suspended was because private observations *were* made public, and it continued ad nauseam, and if it wasn't one theory as bone of contention, it was another...."-MDG

I was talking about NN making the crime and the punishment 'public'....it sorta looks like MDG assumed that I was making reference to other members outing a perceived troublemaker.

I just wanted to be clear.
14-May-08 1:21:41
after reading all of the input so far all I have to say is lord help the new forum mods, they are gonna need it!
I do NOT want the job. I kinda like my sanity such as it is.
14-May-08 3:05:53
I've read all these comments and it just reinforces my happiness that I never go there.
im2nescient
14-May-08 3:16:48
i'd just like to ask, does anyone want to visit my church? forums need trolls otherwise they would be filled with NN sammiches, and we all love them. im not naming names of the fakes on here
14-May-08 3:20:33
One of the great things about NN is that you can be a member for free, it's also one of the terrible things about NN. When I came here originally I think the membership was about 300,000, it's almost 5 times that now. The sheer size of the membership would seem hard to manage. But then it seems that at most 20 to 30 people are the ones causing the problems on NN. I don't think the world or NN would miss 20 or 30 people and in the end maybe 100 or more people might participate in the forums.
14-May-08 3:37:19
Notice that NN asked for input on the Rules only .... no the new Forum moderating system.
14-May-08 3:40:47
/me lobs the t to go witn "no" ..... noT*
By-the-Sea
14-May-08 4:17:54
I think the rules of the forum are generally good...It's just think people get carried away...in the heat of the moment....I have hijacked a thread....just to stop the thread...If have also have had threads taken away...from my original intention....Maybe we should get to know another before we let simple words divide us......I do not know what the future brings...for the forums...I do not run this site....but I like to think I have played a small part in it's current....past and future...Smile
rollergirl
14-May-08 4:38:53
maybe a certain number of replies allowed per day per member, i reckon it cld stop all the stupid bullshit replies of BOING etc. may help stop some of the fighting as well.
RealmOfValek
14-May-08 6:18:58
Limiting posts and making the forum premium only isn't exactly fair to the long term free members who are generally well behaved on the forum. Not all of us on here can afford a premium membership.
amcut
14-May-08 6:25:50
...Rules only apply to people who aren't crafty. You can sneak in a barb, a knife in the back, a clever insinuation... but things like that can't be policed, they're so subtle.

Those are the things that start all the forum terrors. One crafty individual, and one idiot. The idiot gets reprimanded, while the crafty sucker sits around and laughs.

I dunno. Until you can control them both, I don't really see any point in anything beside the basic rules.

Unless new members looking into the forums aren't afraid of the crafty sucker. I really don't know what they want. Anyways! Your site, your rules.. but my input. ;)
14-May-08 6:41:57
Rules are made to be broken and they will be, you can't police this 24/7. You don't need to change the rules or add more because it wont change a thing. it happens in chat and it happens here. What you need to do is remove the problem and thats the person who is causing it either at the time or if something is read at a later date. No questions asked the only problem with that of course you won't have very many members left and of course as i said before the forums will become more dull as they are now. I for one feel this is a big mistake and feel that NN is doing this to protect themselfs and it has nothing to do with the fact they want to clean up this place.. NO OFFENCE just my 2 cents..
shesez
14-May-08 6:46:37
if ppl would stick to the discussion of the thread instead of accusing another of something or calling another person a name which you see ALL THE TIME which only gets off the subject and then anger causes more name calling..pretty soon the subject of the thread doesn't exist and only name calling like spoiled children..then if you want to have fun you just have to skip over that thread..but then it happens in another one and another one until there's nothing left worth reading. why can't ppl who need to fight take it private ONLY?
shesez
14-May-08 6:50:12
also..new ppl are pretty much treated like shit...i was when i came in. the first few minutes i joined i was called a fool for asking a 'legit question'...which made me leave...but a long time member told me to get back in there and defend myself..once i did that i then was considered a 'bitch' pretty much. so no matter what ..i couldn't win. i've seen new ppl who maybe couldn't spell well but you know they're not trying to cause any trouble, be made fun of and picked on..then you go read their blog and they're upset..well i give a damn about that..and i'll stand up for them even if it costs me 'forum friends'..which is what? ppl just pretending to know you? there's no class...just be nice..treat other's the way you want to be treated..have some class..just an ounce..
shesez
14-May-08 6:52:22
and you might want to make the rules so simple they can't say they're not understood. like hate speak..go into detail..ppl who act like children have to talked to as if they are children. just becuz they're not in knee pants or any...doesn't mean they're mature.
Deviant_an_Angel
14-May-08 7:38:44
hmm.. I would just like to make one more comment!

about new members.. or new to the forums... people not being made welcome..

Speaking from my own experiance, I don't agree with that observation....
we mainly used the chat medium... then looked at the boards.. in both we were made welcome.. made to feel liek we could join in.. at the end of the day..the site will be what each individual will make of it! every oen wants something different out of it..
join in... don't wait to be asked!

I think this site rocks... so cheers to NN for trying to get rid of the bitching.. an making it a better place to be! lets get back to perving an having fun!

Angel! *excuse the spelling i'm over tired!* (thats my excuse an im sticking to it)
walter67
14-May-08 7:42:28
Not all of us are IT literate or know how to drive a PC professionally! I for one don't know how! A friend was teaching me 'the links' and codes on this site! Maybe, I over-stepped the 'test' area rules! But, like I say, I am new to the 'technical' things a pc can do! I cannot type fast...and got booted from the chat rooms for not keeping up! That is not fair! I don't use a computer in my work, scenario! My evenings are my 'play' times!
I believe, MD, has made some good points, as have a few other members!
Keep the 'rules' as basic and understandable, for even 'us' truckies! Most of us aren't, the sharpest tools in the shed!
Racism/child abuse/derogatory comments/under age/etc rules are already here! Like, Scarylady, said...certain things in some countries, mean a 'total' opposite, in another land! Good luck! Thats my 2cs
ShadowOrca
14-May-08 8:44:22
I agree with what most of the people on here are saying. The one rule I am iffy on is the "hijacking". I believe in the forums some one made a valid point. Sometimes going off topic is the only way to cool down an arguement or conflict. I also REALLY disagree with the forums being premium only or each member having only a certain number of posts each day. Alot of us cannot afford premium (me being one of them) and the main reason I come on this site anymore is for the forums. I have made some wonderful friends in there. I also want to bring up another point brought up earlier in these comments about discussing terrorism. I think that discussing it in a manner of "I'm going to do this..." is wrong, but I think discussing an act of terrorism that was commited and perhaps getting input on what people think or just informing the general public who may not know about some of the more obscure acts of terrorism is not wrong. Also, things that are in the news, such as a pedofile that was caught or something along those lines. These are things that people (like me) may not watch the news very often, but should possibly be informed about. Just the other day there was a news broadcast about a pedofile that was caught very close to where I live, I only caught the news because my sister called me and told me to watch, but what would be the harm in putting a link in the forum to this broadcasts website? I am in NO WAY condoning discussion of how to do these things, but just keeping people up on current affairs.

That being said, my other suggestion (which I think was also brought up in these comments) would be to add more sub-forums. Perhaps one for politics, one for news updates, one for the "rate my..." threads. That way, those of us who don't want to discuss politics don't have to sort through all the threads. I think this would make the site much more user-friendly.

Anyways, it is late and I think I may just be rambling on, but I hope I got my point across. That my 2 cents!
kassie...
14-May-08 9:06:16
Just think its pretty sad that a bunch of so called adults need NN to babysit 24/7 now because they don't know how the hell to behave and run amock saying and doing what they want..its our site the whole of NN old members newcomers etc...its been left to the select few to take over because we have let them...don't be intimidated dont sit on the side lines and grumble about it if enough start joining in again we can maybe get it back to it once was...i won't be run from the forums the majority there are a good crowd just sometimes they let issues get way out of control...so many strong personalities in there and when they clash thats when the shit hits the fan...ok i just rambled probably some crap again...hey ho nm :)
incubator
14-May-08 10:09:50
My :2cents: I am not in favour of moderation but yes we need to have set rules. If someone breaks the rules, ground them (sin bin .. whatever) for a fixed period. This could be a publicly veiwed list or a counter to show how many are currently barred as a reminder.
14-May-08 11:06:39
Just a comment to a post earlier. I am against, really really against limiting the posts per day. first of all one can stir a lot of shit with one single post and secondly many friendsforming threads in the fun and games section live because you can answer and answer and answer.

Generally I would say, do not change too much. The old system was not bad. Just treat everyone equal, fair and stick to enforcing the rules. That should be enough.
14-May-08 11:23:19
Perhaps a brief sum-up notice to remind us about the rules each time we are about to post.
14-May-08 12:45:46
Just have fun and enjoy.. NN i hope your reading this and taking note.. Think a few will leave or not partake in the forums anymore..
Feschka Corrado
14-May-08 13:16:06
how long will the forum be closed?
14-May-08 14:15:23
bluexl7..'s idea of premium only, sorry but how stagnant would that make the forums??? i obviously say that as a free member lol
MDGuy.. great set of rules couldn't agree more.
ravens... idea of aliases NOOOOOOOOOO lol far too many problems there.
RC idea of airing problems in public, i'm not sure about BUT maybe we could have a (locked)section on the forum where suspensions are anounced and for what reason.
I dont think giving member the right to edit threads is a good idea cause it could seriously upset a way a thread is read and dealt with.
Glen UK's point of a rating section is a good one, to remove the constant spamming of these type of threads, but i could make the suggestion that this could be done with a lot of sections, for instance a political section, a personal announcements section etc....
I dont think there should be a posting limit however, just taking part in a few of the fun and games threads could mean you loose a days worth of posts,and really stifle the forum!!
I don't think hijacking is always too much of a problem, the only time it annoys me is if its in a particularly serious thread and it spoils the flow. otherwise a lot of the time its funny and lends a background of humor to the forums which is nice. also it can help with calming a thread down.

a couple of techy points
1) how about a 'REPORT' button on the right hand side of everyones post. (in the same way as the pic's) could work as
A- a reminder to the poster that its easy to report them... and
B- make the reporting process easier.

2) what about a warning that appears each time you post, reminding everyone of the rules and of what the section they are posting of is for. this could be modified for each section.
This could just be presented as a popup saying something like

STOP!!
THINK BEFORE YOU POST
IF YOUR POST IS REPORTED
YOU RISK BEING BANNED
FROM THE FORUMS
if you are unsure
check out the rules here
(insert link)
otherwise click here
to post your comment..

as for who should be a member mod,(if its going to work that way), well it could be a problem, i suggest trying to fine members like myself who hate absolutely everyone, its the only way to be fair ;) lmao..
14-May-08 14:23:01
To add our chapter to your growing novel, lol - we were a little miffed to hear the entire community was being punished for the poopoo behavior of a few, makes more sense now that there is an upgrade taking place. The only amendment we might suggest is to be more vigilant in suspending specific user's rights to the forums, as this is incentive enough for premium and nonpremium members. Anytime you have a community of over 1,ooo,ooo and an average active usage of 4,000 or so at a time, you can for-sure add "jackasses" to the 'death and taxes' maxim...
14-May-08 14:25:32
Set up a sin bin or stockade where transgressors ...no seax ..thats not a sheep in nylons :).. can be sent to cool off and others can see who is in the stockade, a countdown timer to show when they will be allowed back and a simple explanation of why they were given an offical time out.

3 times in the stockade in any year and your out of here for 12 months.

I really don't mind what rules you set after all it is your game.
Please... just apply the rules fairly to all.
No more allowing a select few to abuse whoever they wish.
StevenSki2
14-May-08 14:29:08
'd be an awesome sheriff. You will respect my authoritay.
Wait till you see my uniform ;) and six shooter :p
I don't do windows though :(
seaxun
14-May-08 14:55:53
ive got a tan coming on now since the forum has been closed,least something good has come out ov it for me :).
14-May-08 14:57:00
i have a great rule.....*stop the crybabies*
14-May-08 14:59:03
btw....seems the forum is closed, i was actually coming here to drag up walts gardening thread, ffs im stuck with my brocolli, i need to know what to do, help!
ycvfzsp
14-May-08 16:04:13
One common thing that many have said already is,enforce the rules but treat everyone FAIRLY.-I agree.------I do not see what closing the forums for an extended period of time for "maintenance" will accomplish. Pete
14-May-08 16:13:17
I don't think the forum rules need to be tightened up as much as there needs to be uniform application of those rules. I think having good moderators will help. I also think short time outs for rule breakers would b e helpful, maybe an automatic 24 hour suspension and extended suspensions for repeat offenders.
14-May-08 16:14:27
I think NN is working something out Pete.
And he is kind enough to invite our opinions as well..

Latest thoughts from Raven...

The sin bin set up might work.

However, I fear that the person/persons oppointed to mod may not be any good and very bias.
fivestarsgirl!
14-May-08 16:24:33
I think MDs rules suggestions are pretty good. Really, though, you can have moderators (which I think is a good idea) and rules and all that, but you can only have so many rules, worded in so many different ways. At the end of the day we're not stupid, and we know whats right from wrong. Everyone needs to stop and think before they post something, and about the concequences that their post may have.
Theres been lots of complaints about how the forum isnt what it was and its boring etc etc. The forum is what the forum contributers make it, simple as that.
14-May-08 17:46:24
Hopefully I'm wrong, but new or old rules will not work without enforcement because some people do not see anything wrong with their behavior or agenda.
But I hope it all works out.
14-May-08 17:53:18
There are some really good suggestions here and it’s good to see a lot of common ground.

Things that are frustrating to me are the high jacking of threads, pathetic personal attention seeking via high jacking of threads, name throwing, one-upmanship and sometimes what can be seen as a pack mentality driving new members away. I think both non-premium and premium members have been guilty of it so making the Forum part of the paid membership package doesn’t really work for me.

I think the moderation of the erotic stories section is vital as part of the Forum and the reinforcing of taboo topics like xxxxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxx sexual activity etc.

(One point re moderators. If you are looking for members to be moderators of Forums, depending on how you plan to work moderation on this site, it may be worth considering giving them a moderator account, in addition to their own personal membership. This would anonymise them as mods, meaning that the individual would not perhaps get off on the kudos from the power (go off on a power kick) and it would also provide them with anonymity to avoid pissed off people taking things out on them (or their pics). Just a suggestion really.)
14-May-08 18:00:38
a report botton sounds like a good idea, but can easily be missused if someone does not like someone else. might not be the best idea.
14-May-08 18:41:35
Thanks for all the input however we have the moderation side worked out and the real purpose of this blog post was to get feedback on the rules.

Aside from MDs subtle tweaks to rules that already exist are there any new ones people want to suggest?

As for the suggestion the forums are closed for no valid reason, that isn't true as we are taking this opportunity to maintain it and implement the moderation changes amount other things.
14-May-08 18:42:08
sooooo....a commom theme across the board, seems to be that the rules dont really need to be "modified"....the ones that we have....need to be enforced fairly and impartially. Personally, I think that the rules that we have had for the last year or so have been just fine....but NN made the mistake of implimenting them in the *first* place as it catered to the crybabies and the sniffle-butts. Now, they arent happy....AGAIN, and here we are....trying to apease the crybabies that apparently RUN this forum.
14-May-08 18:43:34
btw sorry for the typos I typed that on my phone
14-May-08 18:49:18
type-o's....:) lol. just like home....:)
shesez
14-May-08 19:11:55
i never use chat so my first time in the forum was my first time to see any of those ppl except'body'...and i've seen it happen to several other's and we've talked about the "so called initiation sooo many went thru when they first came in" when someone comes to your home you don't treat them poorly unless you don't want them there and most of the time that works. i have men who are popular with other's who are staying out of the forum and we could have alot more ppl there if they were given a chance once they came in and i'm not talking about the jerks that come in being gross..i'm talking about nice ppl...as i said, not everyone goes to chat and gets familiar with other's first.
14-May-08 19:17:26
2 cents worth -

I have seen little that expresses simple support for the admins here - what ever else is true they are at risk and they are entitled to protect themselves -

Litigious is how the world is today and just because you or I or whomever came here voluntarily does not mean the admins can escape those who want to eliminate what happens here.

Thanks Gang - keep it up we do appreciate it - more do what you need to do to protect you, this and us - whether everyone likes it or not.

Those who don't have options -

What you are proposing is reasonable by any standard measure - by the way - IMHO
Distant Lover
14-May-08 22:47:07
There should be a zero tolerance policy for derogatory statements. One should not be allowed to post a PM without the sender’s permission. One should not be allowed to disseminate personal information about a poster that is not in the poster’s profile, blog, or comments and threads in the Forum.
15-May-08 4:22:53
NN, you got the views you needed. Time to close this blog entry. Sad, but *sigh*
15-May-08 7:09:04
Perhaps an added rule should be not to post an avatar of the opposite ex to you.
15-May-08 7:12:01
opposite sex.
meaning, not to confuse new people into thinking your male, when your female for example.
15-May-08 7:14:16
Next..
Should we know who the forum moderators are ?
15-May-08 7:20:09
Should it be in the rules that if you report a post, that you will be held to account?
15-May-08 7:22:41
Shold there be a list of chat mods, picture mods, forum mods, all on a single page?.
15-May-08 7:24:48
Should the rules be changed to say that we have a right of appeal?
15-May-08 7:28:27
Should paying members have the privilege of a right to appeal, over and above standard members?
15-May-08 7:30:16
should the 'currently suspended red message' be more informative?
15-May-08 7:31:32
If suspended, how can one know when one is allowed back?
15-May-08 7:33:51
Should it be stated that chat room mods and pic mods, are not forum mods?
15-May-08 7:34:53
Should there be a stated rule about second accounts in forum?
15-May-08 7:37:39
Thankyou NN,for your kind efforts to listen to us.
Carbonbasedorganism.
20-May-08 16:57:35
Unbelievable,,,and he is still here,,,,shakes head and sighs
20-Jun-08 6:49:04
DL...once you send a PM, it's not yours anymore.
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