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Ending globalization
Author Peter Zeihan has posited in his latest work, "The End of the World is Just the Beginning" that a new world order is upon us. One in which communist China takes a fall and instead of globalization running the show we will see regional arrangements that determine global trade and policy. Yet, what would the end of globalization really mean? Is it a good thing or bad one?

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Globalization requires peace for it to thrive. As a species, it's high time for us to make an evolutionary leap. Not from the mind but from the heart.

I'm often watching various birds on our feeder, and others on the ground, eating the sunflower seeds. Chickadees, doves, finches, cardinals, blue jays, buntings, woodpeckers, grackles and more...then you have the squirrels, chipmunks, hares, raccoons, deer, skunks...they all come at one time or another of the day or night, sometimes several species at once.

And you know what? They don't fight. None of them. Ever.

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Globalization has already scared the Earth forever.

The Magic of Individualism has been ruined and the exploration to far away places reduced to a few hours on a plane.
So much adventure has vanished.

An Example:-
Luxor.
Valley of The Kings, The Queens.
Karnak
And so much more.
Part of the adventure was getting there.
With the Airport, Luxor lost its identity and must be contaminated now.
So sad, but I was so so lucky when I was so young and knew I when it was mostly native.




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MitchandDaisy said: Globalization requires peace for it to thrive. As a species, it's high time for us to make an evolutionary leap. Not from the mind but from the heart.

I'm often watching various birds on our feeder, and others on the ground, eating the sunflower seeds. Chickadees, doves, finches, cardinals, blue jays, buntings, woodpeckers, grackles and more...then you have the squirrels, chipmunks, hares, raccoons, deer, skunks...they all come at one time or another of the day or night, sometimes several species at once.

And you know what? They don't fight. None of them. Ever.




A couple days ago, I watched my neighbors cat hiding next to my seawall as a squirrel was heading slowly right at the cat,
just as the squirrel was close enough, the cat grabbed the squirrel, a hawk hit them both and took the squirrel right from the cats mouth,
we have some mean animals here, you should see what's in our water, a bunch of murderous barracuda ready to slash my dinner right off my spear
and lobster will be in a hole with a moray eel, imagine reaching in to grab that lobster without looking first, you don't get your hand back.

cool

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stevenasty said:
MitchandDaisy said: Globalization requires peace for it to thrive. As a species, it's high time for us to make an evolutionary leap. Not from the mind but from the heart.

I'm often watching various birds on our feeder, and others on the ground, eating the sunflower seeds. Chickadees, doves, finches, cardinals, blue jays, buntings, woodpeckers, grackles and more...then you have the squirrels, chipmunks, hares, raccoons, deer, skunks...they all come at one time or another of the day or night, sometimes several species at once.

And you know what? They don't fight. None of them. Ever.




A couple days ago, I watched my neighbors cat hiding next to my seawall as a squirrel was heading slowly right at the cat,
just as the squirrel was close enough, the cat grabbed the squirrel, a hawk hit them both and took the squirrel right from the cats mouth,
we have some mean animals here, you should see what's in our water, a bunch of murderous barracuda ready to slash my dinner right off my spear
and lobster will be in a hole with a moray eel, imagine reaching in to grab that lobster without looking first, you don't get your hand back.

cool


Oh my, and you haven't even mentioned American alligators yet!
https://media.tenor.com/OAnuRipbrVgAAAAj/spurs-bling.gif tongue

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For the well educated and the well connected globalism means professional and investment opportunities. For the rest of us globalism means that good jobs are harder to get and harder to keep.

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zeebop said: For the well educated and the well connected globalism means professional and investment opportunities. For the rest of us globalism means that good jobs are harder to get and harder to keep.


This is exactly why Fair Trade not Free Trade should be the maxim. Free Trade should be seen as an experiment that as a species we are done with forever. Globalization is the norm and has been since at least Columbus but how it is done is always the issue.

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Globalization is a Disaster.

We all belong to our parts of the World.
Why not enjoy our home place ?


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Globalization, like anything, well...many things...has its pros and cons. Mostly cons.
I would like to point out something that most people don't realise... If they are interested, or even care to know this. Most people will probably say I'm full of shit but here goes:

China is not really communist and hasn't been for a very long time. Socialism with Chinese Characteristics, as they call it, is basically a form of nationalism. It's a patriotism that has all but disappeared in the West and has even become anathema to the ruinous woke ideology running rampant throughout the West. I'm serous when I say that the Woke will destroy the West, which is exactly the intention (Read Douglas Murray for more on this)
You will find none of that self-loathing nonsense in China. While kids in the west are learning that there are 600 genders and that they must hate themselves for their country's colonial past--something they had no control over--kids in China are learning math and science and getting an education.
I can assure you from spending a LOT of time there over the past almost two decades, they are not being indoctrinated with anything other than a love of their country. And why shouldn't they love their country? Patriotism is sorely missing in Western society now. A united country like China will prosper. A divided, confused mess will eventually fail.
If you never go there and don't see for yourself, but just believe the Western media propaganda, you'll never know how advanced it is, how clean and safe it is and that the people are not brainwashed and under the thumb of a mad tyrannical regime. People are just vibing evryday They are literally, (yes literally) dancing in the streets. They drive BMWs and Teslas, they have Mustang Ford owners groups, they modify Hondas. There are no potholes in the roads--none--and the infrastructure in the big cites and increasingly the rural areas is top notch. The freeways rival Germany for quality. For real.
Most people live good lives with a standard of living that can actually compete and in some cases surpasses the crumbling, crime ridden, confused and degenerate west, a place that stands for less and less with each passing year.

China is not some evil boogeyman and it's not going anywhere anytime soon. For China, collapse and failure is not an option. Look, I'm not apologist for the CCP and they are a very opaque and a times sinister organization that has often gotten belligerent under President Xi but I am a realist who'll give credit where it's due. Like South Korea, China has come a long way. Through nationalism, protectionism, and sometimes literally bloody mindedness the achievements of both countries is staggering. I think nobody can deny that. I wish India could do the same but it won't.

I know I will likely get some blowback from this post but again I say, go there and see for yourself. It's very hard to understand China fro the outside and if taking only a western perspective on how the world is or should be. Put geopolitics aside and go. The people are kind and friendly and helpful (even the police. Really) and you're almost guaranteed to return with a different view from when you left.

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lapplikker said: Globalization, like anything, well...many things...has its pros and cons. Mostly cons.
I would like to point out something that most people don't realise... If they are interested, or even care to know this. Most people will probably say I'm full of shit but here goes:

China is not really communist and hasn't been for a very long time. Socialism with Chinese Characteristics, as they call it, is basically a form of nationalism. It's a patriotism that has all but disappeared in the West and has even become anathema to the ruinous woke ideology running rampant throughout the West. I'm serous when I say that the Woke will destroy the West, which is exactly the intention (Read Douglas Murray for more on this)
You will find none of that self-loathing nonsense in China. While kids in the west are learning that there are 600 genders and that they must hate themselves for their country's colonial past--something they had no control over--kids in China are learning math and science and getting an education.
I can assure you from spending a LOT of time there over the past almost two decades, they are not being indoctrinated with anything other than a love of their country. And why shouldn't they love their country? Patriotism is sorely missing in Western society now. A united country like China will prosper. A divided, confused mess will eventually fail.
If you never go there and don't see for yourself, but just believe the Western media propaganda, you'll never know how advanced it is, how clean and safe it is and that the people are not brainwashed and under the thumb of a mad tyrannical regime. People are just vibing evryday They are literally, (yes literally) dancing in the streets. They drive BMWs and Teslas, they have Mustang Ford owners groups, they modify Hondas. There are no potholes in the roads--none--and the infrastructure in the big cites and increasingly the rural areas is top notch. The freeways rival Germany for quality. For real.
Most people live good lives with a standard of living that can actually compete and in some cases surpasses the crumbling, crime ridden, confused and degenerate west, a place that stands for less and less with each passing year.

China is not some evil boogeyman and it's not going anywhere anytime soon. For China, collapse and failure is not an option. Look, I'm not apologist for the CCP and they are a very opaque and a times sinister organization that has often gotten belligerent under President Xi but I am a realist who'll give credit where it's due. Like South Korea, China has come a long way. Through nationalism, protectionism, and sometimes literally bloody mindedness the achievements of both countries is staggering. I think nobody can deny that. I wish India could do the same but it won't.

I know I will likely get some blowback from this post but again I say, go there and see for yourself. It's very hard to understand China fro the outside and if taking only a western perspective on how the world is or should be. Put geopolitics aside and go. The people are kind and friendly and helpful (even the police. Really) and you're almost guaranteed to return with a different view from when you left.




Good point about the Chinese and communism but the communists running China are an existential threat to human existence outright. It must fall!

I call it The Revenge of the Boxer Rebellion. The Chinese are basically getting payback or ensuring how they have been used previously never happens again. They are using their version of communism for control but that is their goal.

They are very patriotic and for that, 👏👏👏👏. EVERY country should be that way too.

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lapplikker said: Globalization, like anything, well...many things...has its pros and cons. Mostly cons.
I would like to point out something that most people don't realise... If they are interested, or even care to know this. Most people will probably say I'm full of shit but here goes:

China is not really communist and hasn't been for a very long time. Socialism with Chinese Characteristics, as they call it, is basically a form of nationalism. It's a patriotism that has all but disappeared in the West and has even become anathema to the ruinous woke ideology running rampant throughout the West. I'm serous when I say that the Woke will destroy the West, which is exactly the intention (Read Douglas Murray for more on this)
You will find none of that self-loathing nonsense in China. While kids in the west are learning that there are 600 genders and that they must hate themselves for their country's colonial past--something they had no control over--kids in China are learning math and science and getting an education.
I can assure you from spending a LOT of time there over the past almost two decades, they are not being indoctrinated with anything other than a love of their country. And why shouldn't they love their country? Patriotism is sorely missing in Western society now. A united country like China will prosper. A divided, confused mess will eventually fail.
If you never go there and don't see for yourself, but just believe the Western media propaganda, you'll never know how advanced it is, how clean and safe it is and that the people are not brainwashed and under the thumb of a mad tyrannical regime. People are just vibing evryday They are literally, (yes literally) dancing in the streets. They drive BMWs and Teslas, they have Mustang Ford owners groups, they modify Hondas. There are no potholes in the roads--none--and the infrastructure in the big cites and increasingly the rural areas is top notch. The freeways rival Germany for quality. For real.
Most people live good lives with a standard of living that can actually compete and in some cases surpasses the crumbling, crime ridden, confused and degenerate west, a place that stands for less and less with each passing year.

China is not some evil boogeyman and it's not going anywhere anytime soon. For China, collapse and failure is not an option. Look, I'm not apologist for the CCP and they are a very opaque and a times sinister organization that has often gotten belligerent under President Xi but I am a realist who'll give credit where it's due. Like South Korea, China has come a long way. Through nationalism, protectionism, and sometimes literally bloody mindedness the achievements of both countries is staggering. I think nobody can deny that. I wish India could do the same but it won't.

I know I will likely get some blowback from this post but again I say, go there and see for yourself. It's very hard to understand China fro the outside and if taking only a western perspective on how the world is or should be. Put geopolitics aside and go. The people are kind and friendly and helpful (even the police. Really) and you're almost guaranteed to return with a different view from when you left.


Thank you for your perspective. Glad to hear you had a good experience in China. Did you get out to the west any, to Xinjiang?

I am divided on China. I think their claiming the entire South China Sea is problematic. If they invade Taiwan is may not go so well for them. And right now, they still need the West for trade.

As for globalism, it's with is whether we like it or not. This particular forum is global. I'm in the US, a couple are from the UK, Oz, Canada, NZ, other places. You're from Norway. Yet we're all talking. That's one side of globalism.

But when it destroys jobs and livelihoods so that corporations can make a killing off of cheap labor elsewhere, that's a problem. If that problem is left unchecked, it can give us protectionism, populist political leaders like Trump and Bolsonaro, trade wars (which killed off some US stores in the late 2010s), and other negatives.

Globalism can also lead to some poorer countries being the dumping grounds for richer nations' waste, or becoming mining pits where people choke to death on toxic dust and fumes so the richer "north" can have cheaper electronics and the like. Globalism is a double edged sword in that respect.

Negotiation instead of confrontation, fair trade, fair deals -- those are the things that are needed more and more in this day and age, yet we don't see a ton of that.

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....if they invade Taiwan, IT may not go so well for them...

TYPO, woops

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milfchaser said: ....if they invade Taiwan, IT may not go so well for them...

TYPO, woops


The invasion depends on who wins the American Presidential election in 2024, how outta control the Middle East is by then, and were the communists think that they are in trade needs.

It will not go well and they will lose which will end the time of the communists in China.

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Too late to end globalization.
It's already occurred..
They did not integrate..
sad

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